Subject, lighting or composition

I liked the last post about composition and technical ability.
So the 3 main parts of a photography are Subject, Lighting, and
Composition. I personally feel that Composition is the most important
element. Anyone agree/disagree? And if you disagree, why?
Not trying to start an argumant - just an interesting discussion on
thios slow and rainy Friday.
Jim

Cisco Kid

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

To make a really special image, you need Quality of Light above all
else. After that subject and comp are a push - you can't do one w/o the
other.
For the typical "I was there" pics, I'd go with subject, comp, light, in
that order.
I don't mean to downplay Composition, but in my exerience, it's not
really a formal task. Look at how the light hits the subject, move
around, try different angles and whatnot. Watch as light, color, shape,
depth, etc. all interact. Whenever you see something interesting in the
viewfinder, stop and take a picture - comp takes care of itself. (God
help the poor fool who goes around looking for ways to apply the 'rule
of thirds' and other 'helpful' guidelines.)
$0.02
-Greg


Greg Campbell

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

The quality of discussion in photo groups is appallingly bad. I simply
point that out.


UC

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

UC - what is your problem? It always seems that you only join in a
discussion when you have something negative to say? What's up with
that? Do you hate yourself or something. I gaurantee you no womam wants
you - you must drag everyone down with you, although I'm sure you
surround yourself with fellow insecure people.


Cisco Kid

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

....and the three parts of cooking are food, heat, and spicing.


UC

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

I agree.
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Alan Browne

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

This is so basic as to be beyond discussion. The composition includes
the lighting and the subject. This will go nowhere.


UC

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

No examples - a bad subject composed poorly will never work, same if
the light is great and there's poor composition. So the question is,
which if any of the 3 can stand alone - composition can - I just ruled
out subject and lighting.
And what do we mean by subject? Could shadows falling over some steps
composed very interestingly be considered a subject - or maybe a
created or implied subject where there was not one before. So I believe
you can get a good shot with a soso subject if you compose well. Great
subject or great lighting won't help if the composition is poor.
So that leaves the scenario of poor/bad lighting and great composition.
How could we define "poor" lighting? And regardless of that definition,
isn't there a photographer out there somewhere that can always use poor
lighting as part of his subject and composition - using the poor light
compositionally. I'd say yes!


Cisco Kid

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

I disagree - the most important parts of literature - a short work,
nudie pictures, and being able to scribble in the margins :-)


Cisco Kid

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

Yes they do - how many fabulous plots have intrigued writiers? How many
memorable characters have thrilled us?
Who gives a shit about those things? Are yoiu telling me that a
dishonest, lazy moralless person can't acheive greatness in art?
Do you think there was ever a photographer who was absolutely
emotionally connected but because they sucked at composition that they
couldn't make a good shot to save their lives? Having emotions isn't
enough - you have to have talent and training.
I agree - and that's me so don't assume I am one of those people.


Cisco Kid

Re: Subject, lighting or composition

Well....I have seen a lot of very interesting photos that had good
subject and lighting but no real brilliance in composition (ok but not
great). Bret's photos come to mind in the category.
But then you have photos where you get the feeling that the
photographer is trying to make something out of nothing just with
composition and failing.
If you have some examples of photos that have poor subject and lighting
but came out as a good photo just from composition I would like to see
them to get a feel for what kind of photos you are thinking about.
Scott


Scott W

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