Which is more important?

Which is more important? Composition or technical
excellence/perfection?

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Re: Which is more important?

Yeah....Sometimes I laugh at people who critique a shot as though the
photographer had complete control over all the parameters before he took the
picture. He might have had to seize the opportunity to take it on the run or
lose it forever....It's kind of like taking a photo of the Empire State
Building at the 3/4 position as it falls over, and then some newspaper
editor saying, "Well, it's not too bad, but you should have used a smaller
aperture to give it a little more depth of field...."


William Graham

Re: Which is more important?

The photograph I was refering to was a shot of a lady of the night,
arranging her services with a customer at night on the street. I doubt
that if he had used a speed graphic, the camera would have survived.
Maybe there was no selection. He aimed the camera, guesed at the exposure
and focus, and took the shot.
Geoff.
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Gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson

Re: Which is more important?

In article <daKdnXQLW9wQL4PYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
My guess is that if you would show a photo with the same composition,
light, etc. but of a modern interior, people would basically ignore it
because it is too boring.
'We' are so used to reproductions of reality that we want something
special.
--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency


Philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg)

Re: Which is more important?

In article <slrnei9u1b.kfv.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>,
It doesn't have anything to do with the Leica or the film he used.
The impression I got is that he sort of relied on DoF to get things in
focus.
Most of the time this sort of works, but there are quite a few photos where
the limited DoF requires the selection of primary subject.
In many cases his 'selection' doesn't make any sense. So the main figure
is quite unsharp and somebody else (or something else) is in focus.
--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency


Philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg)

Re: Which is more important?

"Philip Homburg" <philip@ue.aioy.eu> wrote
I take the out-of-focus over and under exposed nature of
Cartier-Bresson's photos for granted but I love his
photographs. The ones that are in focus look odd to me --
like "What happened here?".
"Rangefinder? I never use it." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/leicaslacker/argus.html
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Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Which is more important?

Many of his photos were shot where anything bigger than a Leica would
have made it impossible. What comes to mind was a night time scene
that a more noticable or louder camera would have contributed to it's
(and possibly his) demise.
It is also important to take into account that while film is "dead",
the last 60-70 years have produced many improvments in lenses and
film itself.
Voightlander has shown that you can take a production line that makes
consumer grade SLRs and turn it into a facility that makes high quality
rangefinder cameras and (almost) top of the line lenses. Leicas have
not stood still either, the cameras are still the same quality, and the
lenses have improved with newer glass, coating, computer aided design,
etc.
Couple that with modern film, and you would have very technicaly very
different results.
I will go out on a limb with this, but I think that you will find that
standard consumer grade 35mm color film is faster and better than the
"high speed" black and white films availble in the 1930s.
The big difference in film speed and quality did not occur until the
late 1930s with Agfa's invention of "gold doping" film, and it was kept
secret from the rest of the world until after the second world war.
I once had to look at some charcoal drawings and describe what I thought
of them for a psycological exam. I commented that one of them looked like
an HCB photograph and may have been copied from it. The psychologist had
no idea of what or whom I was talking about. :-(
Geoff.
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Gsm@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson

Re: Which is more important?

In article <CeXSg.22224$Qg.19740@southeast.rr.com>,
The quite a few photos by HCB where the lack of technical quality is
distracting enough that the photo somehow doesn't feel right.
The thing is, every photo sort of demands a certain minimal technical
quality. It doesn't have to be perfect. And the required quality strongly
depends on the subject, composition, etc. But if the technical quality gets
too low, it becomes distracting.
--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency


Philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg)

Re: Which is more important?

OP = Original Poster.
In short, the person who started the thread.
Jim


Jim

Re: Which is more important?

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:59:06 -0400, Alan Browne
Who is OP?
I just read the below not just moments before I downloaded this ng.
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas
Paine
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Marika

Re: Which is more important?

So you can't find any either..
Lots of people have made a good living doing boring photography.
Like I said, his landscapes are what people remember him for.
--
Stacey


Stacey

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