Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

Hello all,
I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
body?
Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Thanks

Condor_222@yahoo.com

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

Nonsense. (We've been through this one over and over again). The
light flux on the subject from a flash is typically equivalent to 1/60
of a second of direct sunlight, and the spectrum is the same as that
of sunlight. Thousands of flashes a day for millennia would have no
discernible effect on anything a museum exposes to public view, since
ordinary custodial handling since any art object was created will
already have exposed it to hours or years of direct sun. (The silliest
example I know is the Kariye museum in Istanbul, where the frescoes
have been exposed to sunlight through glassless windows for over 1000
years, and they still invoke the flash-might-fade-them urban legend).
The rule dates back to when flash was done by bulb or powder. Bulbs
could explode showering the area with broken glass and burning foil;
powder was like firing off dynamite and photographers sometimes died
using it. It would be nuts to allow such a risk, but the light output
wasn't the issue. And electronic flash tubes don't blow up.
Flash *does* damage other people's experience of the art. That alone
is a good reason to ban it in museums, but the idea that there is any
conservation issue is utter bollocks.
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Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

Personally, I'm pretty convinced by Rebecca's arguments. So once a person
wielding a tripod has destroyed a priceless, irreplaceable art work, then
you punish them?
I think your tax dollars paid for you to look at the paintings or whatever.
You don't have an inalienable right to photograph them.
In fact, why do you want to photograph them? Just to prove you've been
there? Why, won't people believe you? You can usually buy high-quality
slides of museum artworks. And maybe now CDs with digital pictures.
Marianne, who's really bugged by people using flash in museums


Mimi

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

"Mojtaba" <mojt@stwart.net> wrote
One was [Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court] John
Robert's majority opinion that rejected the government's
application of federal narcotics law to stop a Brazil-based
religious group from importing a hallucinogenic tea for
use in its rituals. "The government's argument echoes
the classic rejoinder of bureaucrats throughout history:
If I make an exception for you, I'll have to make one
for everybody, so no exceptions,"
"His Hipness, John G. Roberts"
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
NY Times July 9, 2006


Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

If you truly can do better than the commercial photos then I would think
that museums would be clamoring for the use of your talents rather than you
going as a supplicant to them.
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)


J. Clarke

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> writes:
Point taken that you aren't the person who asked before his trip to
Italy.
Curators have an obligation to the art, first, and then to all the
people who may be seeing the art in 2009, 2100, and so forth. Their
mission isn't a liberal one, but a conservative one. If they want to
let you set up a tripod, it's by grace and favor. You've paid to have
the right to see the art.
If I wanted to try to take a tripod into a museum anywhere, I'd ask
first and make sure I had documentation with me that it was okay.
Now to killfile all the crossposted crap that doesn't have anything to
do with digital photography.
--
Rebecca Ore


Rebecca Ore

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

just imagine that every visitor bring a huge tripod in a musum! I
think authorities are afraid damages .......
mojtaba

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

I am neither a troll, nor the one who originally posted that he was going to
Italy to visit the museums....
My comment on the rights of the taxpayer concerning the museums is still
valid, whether they are Italian museums or American museums.
When I visit museums here in the US, I use my 75-150 zoom portrait lens,
and set up against the far wall, as far from the painting/work of art as I
can get. I interfere with no one. When the path is clear, then I take my
picture. It the museum is so busy that the path is never clear, then I
probably won't be there, or I will have left my camera back in the car.
In any case, I seldom take paintings, since (as you say) prints are
available at the museum's front office, or in most framing shops. But I can
take statues and other works of art better than the available commercial
photographs, or I wouldn't be wasting my time.


William Graham

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> writes:
I believe you said you were going to Italy, where your tax dollars
paid zip for museums unless you've worked there and paid taxes in the
past. I suggested that you write to the museums you're planning to
visit and see if they will let you pay them for the privilege of
bringing a tripod into the museum.
If you want an exception made, write the museums, call the museums,
and find out if you can get permission to bring a tripod in.
Otherwise, more comments on this will smell of the troll.
--
Rebecca Ore


Rebecca Ore

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

If the museum is private, then they can make any rules they want. But if the
art works are purchased by my tax dollars, then they should allow the use of
tripods. To disallow them because they may be misused is a typically liberal
viewpoint. First, let them be misused, and then punish the offender for it.
Don't punish everyone on the off chance that they may offend. - If the
museum is especially busy and crowded, then I can understand suspending the
use of a tripod during those peak hours. But to suspend their use at all
times, when there are periods when the museum is almost empty is wrong.


William Graham

Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule

....
LOL. Or a special three legged walker ...
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Mike Russell

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