SLR Picture Quality VS Digital

Hey, im going overseas at the end of the year and am considering buying
a 35mm SLR to take with me in addition to the current 5 mega pixel sony
cyber shot i have.
My question is what is the difference in quality of photo considering
im not concerned with carying the photography equipment required e.g.
lens, flash, ect. My main concern is the quality of photos i have

Paulisj@gmail.com


Re: SLR Picture Quality VS Digital

Right now I'm actually considering going back from my prosumer DSLR
(Nikon D70) to shooting on film with my trusty F90X for anything that
will be enlarged beyond standard print size. Just a few days ago I made
a series of shots of some cool modern achitecture and the D70 really let
me down, especially in the highlights and in longer exposures.
The 6MP resolution is enough for my purposes and the shadow detail is
pretty good as well, but bright sparkly accents in the highlights are
just plain nasty. It appears as if these highlights are actually burned
into the image, because of a very ugly fringe that appears around them.
This looks like a problem with the digital sensor that doesn't have the
necessary bits allocated to the bright part of the gamma to catch proper
highlights without the nasty fringes. I know it's not a lens issue
because the exact same lens doesn't show this problem on my F90X.
Longer exposures also show 'hot pixels' sometimes. These can be
photoshopped away most of the time, but I personally find them annoying.
The hot pixel issue on long exposures in inherent to the technology used
and plagues all digital cameras at the moment so you can't really just
throw cash at it to make the problem go away completely.
So in short: if you're going to photograph buildings, landscapes and
other stationary scenes: bring a tripod and use film.
The quality of film may or may not be 12Mpix equivalent, that doesn't
really matter much. The 6MP you'll get from a consumer DSLR is certainly
obtainable with any type of film. Also consider price: you'll have to
fork out thousands of $$ to get a 12Mpix DSLR body alone, while a used
Nikon F80 can be had at a tiny fraction of that price and offer the same
potential sharpness as a D2X. Especially with non-moving subjects the
improved handling and controls of the D2X are completely irrelevant.
That's thousands of photos worth of price difference. Plus you'll get
better highlight detail from film.
You've already got your Cybershot for quick snapshots in high volumes.
For 'real' photo's I'd advise you to get a (used) Nikon F80/F90X/F100 or
equivalent from another brand depending on your budget. These are very
dependable camera's that can be found dirt cheap (I saw a F100 body with
a vertical grip for $300 recently) on the used market now that
everyone's ditching them in favor of digital.
Remember that the camera body itself is essentially not much more than a
dark box with a light meter and a shutter inside. Any moderately recent
(the F90X was released in 1999 I believe) SLR body will provide good
metering and decent shutter speeds. If you save $300 on a used SLR body,
you can invest that in higher quality glass that will actually make a
visible difference in your shots. Think vignetting, sharpness, chromatic
abberation, performance in low light conditions.
Also, if you're going to any reasonably developed country, buy your film
when you arrive at your destination and have it processed there before
you return. That way you'll make sure your film passes through customs'
X-ray device only once (and in a less vulnerable processed state) on the
return trip and you'll shorten the time the exposed film spends
unprocessed in your bag.
Lastly some rules of thumb: the slower the film, the less grain you'll
see. And slide film generally gives less grain than negatives. The
tradeoff is that negatives have a much bigger margin for exposure
errors. You have to get the exposure of a slide just right or it'll look
like crap. Negatives allow to be off a stop or two in exposure in either
direction. Slides are much more critical. Half a stop wrong will be
noticeable.
Above all though, enjoy your trip!
Bas


Bas v.d. Wiel


Re: SLR Picture Quality VS Digital

That 12mpix is only valid if the velvia is exposed perfectly. For
someone who doesn't know the basics of SLR photography, the result may
well be much less than that level of quality.
The poster also said they were going overseas, which implies film
through xray machines, keeping exposed film unprocessed for long periods
of time etc. I doubt an inexperienced film user will achieve levels of
quality anywhere near that level.
Besides, since this would be a new purchase, i can't imagine anybody
buying a high level film body today.
A better bet would be to go with a consumer dslr and a kit lens.


Carl valle


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Bob Monaghan made a point on his web site that greatly impressed me. It was
(and I'm paraphrasing from memory) that even a relatively mediocre lens that
is used with proper technique can outperform a top-shelf lens that is not.
Even an expensive Leica lens cannot give excellent results when it is used
hand-held, without a proper lens hood, with fast film and a cheap filter
attached.
But, take a relatively inexpensive lens, and use it with the camera mounted
on a tripod, shot with mirror lock-up (if available), with the shutter fired
using either the self-timer or a cable release, with aperture set to the
lens' sweet spot, with a lens hood guarding against off-axis light and with
a good quality filter (if a filter is used at all), and you will probably
end up with a much better result.
If you fail to observe proper technique you will end up with what will
probably be a disappointing result, no matter how expensive your equipment
happens to be.
This is not to discourage anyone from buying excellent gear, jut to remind
them that the quality of the shot is dependent equally as much by the use of
good technique. In fact, technique may account for even more than half of
the equation.
See Steve Traudt's excellent checklist in his web page, The Sharpshooter:
http://www.apogeephoto.com/mag4-6/mag4-6traudt.shtml


Jeremy


Re: SLR Picture Quality VS Digital

A great rule (which I too often don't follow myself): "Take the time"
The equipment then follows...


Chris Loffredo


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35mm film = 24 mega pixel ... or better.
The better quality lens & camera body, the better you know how to use
them, the better quality photos you get.


No_name


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The very best advice has been given. What ever camera you use, take a
tripod, even a very cheap one. But, don't just buy it & pack it. The
secret is to take the time & use it!


Uw wayne


Re: SLR Picture Quality VS Digital

...
You didn't say what type of photos you intended to take (I presume they will
be architecture and landscape photos) and you didn't mention what you
disliked most about your current digicam's results, so responding to your
inquiry is going to be somewhat difficult.
If you are seeking maximum image quality you will require a tripod. I
became a believer once I compared the difference in sharpness. Erwin Puts,
the noted Leica specialist, has written that hand-holding can result in a
loss of sharpness of as much as 40% over the results that could have been
gotten using a tripod.
If you will be trekking on foot, a carbon-type tripod may be best, because
they are light. They are also expensive. I use an ancient Velbon aluminum
tripod and it is fairly solid. But when I need to travel light, I have a
little Vivitar $15.00 tripod that I picked up at Wal-Mart. It weighs less
than one pound and it is easy to carry. I have found that ANY tripod is
better than one that is so heavy that it is never taken along.
As for image quality, have you considered MF? You can get something like a
Yashica-D (Twin Lens Reflex) in good condition on eBay for under $200.
There is no mirror slap, making mirror lockup unnecessary. The Yashinon
lens will outperform virtually anything you could get in 35mm format. Try
to shoot at f/8--f/11 to maximize lens sharpness.
The downside is that TLRs typically use a single focal length--normal lens
80mm. (Mamiya is an exception). But you just might find that the single
focal length forces you to concentrate on taking photos rather than fiddling
with a bag of lenses. And you can always use cropping to get a narrower
field of view, which will yield a telephoto lens effect.
Regardless of what camera you buy, pay attention to the film you use.
Fine-grained emulsions will enlarge better than typical consumer films will.
If you want to do color slides you can't do better than Velvia.
You didn't indicate whether you intend to enlarge or not. If all you want
are 4x6 prints, you'll be in luck, because just about ANY camera-lens
combination will produce good results.


Jeremy


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If you do not know anything about how to use an SLR, film or digital, you
may be happier with a higher end EVF/all in one digital camera with built-in
image stabilization for a longer zoom. These are offered by several
manfacturers. You may be happy with one of these as your only camera.
On long travels film can be difficult to carry, is subject to mulitple x-ray
examinations, may be exposed to extremes of heat or cold that will damage
it.
Digital SLRs have a learning curve, are large and heavy with the de rigeur
travel zoom lens, and are not a good choice in my opinion for users who plan
to shoot only jpegs, print snapshots and do not plan to work their raw
format images later in Photoshop. Overkill.
I just returned from my biannual trek and while I shoot only raw and try to
optimize each image in PS I am kind of tiring of carrying around a big,
heavy camera.


Bmoag


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