Leica M lenses - digital readiness

Http://www.leica-camera.com/produkte/msystem/objektive/index_e.html
Looks like the digital M (M8) is expected fairly soon and at an
anticipated $5k.
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http://www.nikongear.com/

DD

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

I agree. It would be nice to see and handle one of these when they
become available. A friend of mine has the LX1, which is quite nice for
a tiny compact camera, though not something I would want. Unless the
people in the images are a bit small, the upcoming Panasonic L1 seems a
bit chunky and large, especially compared to some SLRs of the 1980s.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>


Gordon Moat

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

In article <448C7137.2090902@attglobal.net>,
I agree it seems more of a "luxury" model than a "professional" one.
It seems very well-made an such:
http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/popup/behind_the_scenes_l1/index
..html
There would be room for a model below it and a model above it,
specs-wise, but I can only guess what Panasonic's plans are with the 4/3
system...
Lourens


Lourens

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

In article <pnhj82p8pdme0fbi0e7mn3vu05p70jtrm1@4ax.com>, tp@nospam.co.uk
says...
I wonder if it will be possible to engage a digital preview with the M8,
since there is no mirror? Didn't happen on the R-D1 though...
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http://www.nikongear.com/


DD

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

Perhaps that signals a permanent move away from Kodak.
r.
I think when Matsushita announced the L1, most people immediately
thought a Leica version with slight differences would not be far off.
Seems like a nice system, judging by the limited information so far.
Panasonic high end video gear is quite well made, so I am sure that
Matsushita could make a truly high quality D-SLR. However, the L1 seems
targeted at the broader enthusiast market, and not the professional
market. It could be that the success of the L1 might dictate whether
anything higher specification would be released in the future.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>


Gordon Moat

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

And you, Sir, should present any real evidence of your claimed
capabilities as a photographer.
http://abpr.railfan.net/abpr.cgi?/september98/09-24-98
Does not in any way qualify you as anything beyond "common snapshooter"


Alan Browne

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

The Leica M wide angle lenses are not suited to sensors with
conventional microlenses. However, the new sensor for the M has a
very different arrangement of microlenses which are said to work
extremely well.
Leica have always been clear that there will never be a digital M with
a full frame sensor. The 1.33X sensor is the largest that can be made
to work, and even that needs the innovative microlenses.
As regards your first point, you are correct that there will be
several new lenses for the digital M, but only one will be available
at launch. That lens is the 17mm f/2.8 Elmarit M ASPH.


Tony Polson

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

I think your information is a little erroneous, Gordon. One of the
Product managers at Leica (Eschweiler) said earlier this year that Leica
are working in partnership with Panasonic to build a DSLR.
Also the Olympus comment is out of whack too. Olympus have begun using
Panasonic Nmos chips in the E330 (of which I have 2 for tethered event
work) and are working with Leica to further develop the 4/3 system.
So it seems that all three firms have gotten together to combat the big
3 (Kodak, Canon and Sony) and provide the world with a choice. Whether
that choice actually materalizes into any threat to the market is
another matter altogether. I can report however, that the E330 sensor is
a big improvement over the previous Kodak one used in the E300.
Particularly in the area of highlight clipping and noise in shadows. It
is also less power hungry than the Kodak sensor. From all reports I've
read, Leica are as committed to the 4/3 system as Olympus are.


Dmac

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

I don't doubt that Kodak made the CCD for the DMR. But the
responsibility for its development and supply lay with Imacon.
I am told that Leica are *extremely* unhappy with the service and
support Imacon provided for the DMR. Six months after the projected
release date, DMR production was running at one tenth of the volume
Imacon had contracted to provide. DMR sales have never met targets
because the product has never been available at the contracted rate.
(Having said that, it is a very fine piece of equipment that can beat
the Canon EOS 1Ds Mk II for overall image quality.)
Couple the bad experience with the DMR with the fact that Hasselblad
were involved with Cosina in the project to produce and market the
Zeiss Ikon camera in direct competition with Leica's M Series, on
which Leica's solvency critically depends, and there are more then
enough reasons for Leica not to want any more than the most minimal
further collaboration with Imacon, now merged with Hasselblad.
Leica already had other good reasons not to want to deal with
Hasselblad. First, Leica spent a lot of money co-developing Leica
glass for Hasselblad's medium format cameras, only for the project top
be scrapped. Hasselblad was taken over by a Far Eastern company and
signed up with Fuji for (1) the production of the X-Pan panoramic 35mm
camera and lenses that ate away at the landscape end of the Leica M
market and the H1 645 medium format/digital SLR and lenses, all of
which are 100% Fuji-made.
There is no love for Hasselblad in Solms, with some justification. By
the time the DMR development came to a conclusion, Hasselblad had
effectively been reversed into Imacon and there was no love for Imacon
in Solms either. There was no way Leica would want Imacon to be
involved with the digital M, and I can assure you that they are not.
I know the identity of the company helping Leica with the development
of the digital M but unfortunately I cannot divulge it. All I can
tell you is that is not Imacon. But the sensor is definitely Kodak.


Tony Polson

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

In article <t9fi82l70e1iiq6ldapmbrh528ug7ed3jj@4ax.com>,
Except of course that the digital M will be accompanied by NEW wideangle
lenses. Leica have said that on many occasions, and the "old" M
wideangles simply aren't very well suited to digital photography, no
matter how good they are on film. Microlenses can never solve that
completely.
Lourens


Lourens

Re: Leica M lenses - digital readiness

In article <448A0A31.9030107@attglobal.net>,
The Olympus E-330 already has that panasonic NMOS sensor.
Here's some information about the third Leica system:
http://www.photoxels.com/article-third-leica-system.html
I think this will mean Leica-badged versions of Panasonic DSLR's, but
probably with a small range of Leica prime lenses to match it. (which
are missing especially on the shorter end of the Zuiko range, so far.)
;-)
Lourens


Lourens

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