Crop tool automation

I scanned several thousands of non standard 35mm frame slides and I have to
go trough each and every scan and crop out the slide. On each file I use
3520x2633 pixels crop.
Is there any way to create a shortcut that a W3520xH2633 crop frame would
appear automatically?
Details: I have Photoshop CS2. I'm scanning 35mm Vericolor Internegative
duplicating motion picture film with my Nikon Coolscan V, and each 3950x5960
scan holds 2 photo frames; therefore, I want to crop out both 3520x2633
frames out of each file. I have to repeat this 1600 times! If there's a way
to automatically make the crop fame the right size, it would speed things
up, as the only thing remaining to do would be just to position the crop
frame appropriately. I wouldn't dare asking if there's anything out there
that would automatically batch crop and save each frame? is there? If not, a
shortcut to crate a 3520x2633 crop frame would be enough.
Sample of the non-standard 35mm frame here:
http://s135598769.onlinehome.us/vericolor.jpg
Thanks for any suggestions.

Phil M

Re: Crop tool automation

Could you perhaps give more detail? I have not had any success.


Rudy Benner (All_Thumbs)

Re: Crop tool automation

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:44:02 -0500, "Phil M" <jimmyc@trexagi.net>
wrote:
Try using Image -> Trim to crop out the inconsistant width of the
black border from the slide frame. Then Image -> Canvas Size to
resize down to remove the curved segments left after trimming.
This should solve frame registration problem as long as you don't have
problems with any images needing rotating.
jc
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Re: Crop tool automation

Granny typed:
[snip]
Awe shucks Phil,
You are soooo sweet, I am sorry if I left the impression that I was mad,
upset, offended or shooting flames... not the case at all... I think
your motion picture idea is a gambit worth trying..
Rudy ask for and welcomed your comments (I think we got him hooked)..
as for me.. I was merely looking way back into my own past and like I
stated, was tired and rambling on.. I was only offering suggestions in
the only clumsy way that I know (I don't get out that much)... I know
nothing about film scanners and such... You merely offered a suggestion
and it seems as if you feel that I went off on you... twas not my
intention at all...for that, I truly apologize .. XOXOXOXOXO
(I should not have slept through the classes on "Social Intercourse" but
they were not about what I expected)
--
"Granny"
Old N Slow N Prefer Quick N Easy


Granny

Re: Crop tool automation

Probably I did not express myself correctly. But I'm not complaining at
all. For what I try to do its fine and for the few misregistered slides,
I'll go manually.
The improvement part was to scan motion picture film, which I don't intend
to do. It was just an idea. Not something that I'm dreaming to have or to
do. an idea to take this script even further to serve also another purpuse.
Again, an idea.
True, the film - in my case - is properly registered. Each frame is 4
sprocket holes long and each photo frame ends exactly where the 4th sprocket
hole ends.
My film scanner - a Nikon Coolscan V, like all desktop film scanners, were
not designed to scan 35mm motion picture film. They were designed to scan
35mm photo film, as a result, they are not pin registered. For their
purpose, they don't have to be pin registered, and I can't make it to align
with the sprocket holes.
I didn't mean to make anybody mad, but it was just an idea that i brought up
for the motion picture part, something that has nothing to do with what I'm
trying to do. I didn't mean to offend anybody. Just an idea and I tank you
for what you did. As for the motion picture film idea, just forget it, as
if I didn't say anything.


Phil M

Re: Crop tool automation

Granny typed:
[snip]
Phil,
The challenge might be figuring out how to use what you have instead of
trying to improve on it.. Just like in Photoshop... I try to figure out
how I can use the tools I have... NOT dream about how they should work
or be made better so that it would be easier for me to use them..
I hate to put it back on you..... BUT, if the film is/was properly
registered in the first place there would be much less of a problem..
therefore it seems to me that your focus should be on how to properly
register the film to be copied so that all things will remain constant
throughout the process.. NOT how to make a magic bullet to fix a problem
that occurred early on in the process so you wont have to do a do
over....
I think it would be more appropriate if you could implement a mechanism
to make the frame registration constant... Something as simple as strips
of tape used as horizontal and vertical guides or something for the
sprocket holes to fit on, a splicing rig or anything rigged up that
would register the film... I am sure there are professional methods out
there if you want to spend the $$$... film frames ARE all the same
size.. and the sprocket holes are all of equal size and spaced uniformly
(guides work wonders when working with film) that's why the projectors
work so well.. remember your "Seven P's" (Prior Planning Prevents Piss
Poor Performance Permanently" in conjunction with "GIGO" (Garbage In
Garbage Out)
You have been given a gift.. it is up to you now on how to implement it
or improve on it if you want.. That's the FUN of Photoshop, learning by
doing it yourself, figuring things out and learning from your mistakes..
Step back, take a deep breath, look at the whole project and re-evaluate
the processes, figure out what you want to do, then just keep trying
till it comes out right for you .. That's exactly what all of us here,
have just done for you.. kept trying till we found a way to help with
your dilemma.. the ball is in your court now, to figure a way to
implement it..
Might take several tries BUT.. U CAN DO IT !!
I didn't mean to ramble on.. I am OLD and tired... Sorry
I'm outta here... GOOD LUCK!!
--
"Granny"
Old N Slow N Prefer Quick N Easy


Granny

Re: Crop tool automation

As of is right now, it can't be used to crop motion picture film because the
frame registration is not constant. This will cause the picture to "jitter"
(jump). If somebody can implement a mechanism to auto detect the black
borders and auto crop accordingly, it would be great. To make the process
easier, I image that the script must be able to detect a good point to cut
the frame in half, then auto crop.
You know the DVD called "Image of an assassination" (The DVD which contains
a remastering of the John F. Kennedy Assassination). It was remastered using
Photoshop. Each frame was individually scanned with an Agfa Scanner,
imported to Photoshop, and then the frames were imported one by one to video
software to create a motion sequence. The results are so outstanding; the
resolution is so high, that you can even see reflections on the president's
brains. These results and this definition could never be achieved by
running this filmstrip though a projector and camera. However, cropping was
done by hand - 26 seconds is not that long. But to scan an entire reel, one
would have been looking at an automation tool.
I strongly believe that if this action can be refined for consistency and
more precision, it can benefit film students.


Phil M

Re: Crop tool automation

Granny typed:
[snip]
I claim no ownership either ... the post from JC Dill started my
thinking.. I am just happy that it may help..
--
"Granny"
Old N Slow N Prefer Quick N Easy


Granny

Re: Crop tool automation

What a great idea.
I claim no ownership for that Action, if anyone should get credit, it should
be Granny, she got me on the track, the rest was just mechanics.
Feel free to post it or share it or whatever. I would prefer it to be public
domain.
I am delighted to just be part of the process.
Photoshop never ceases to amaze me with its capabilities.
r.


Rudy Benner (All_Thumbs)

Re: Crop tool automation

Thanks for the action. When refined, I believe that this script should be
placed in a server because it can be useful for people and students that
want to scan 35mm motion picture film with a regular film scanner.
.... and to some extend, if the auto cropping and positioning can be
consistent relative to the center of the frame, an entire film reel can be
scanned and then converted to video with quality never achieved so far...
Film students can then "compete" with movie scans that only Hollywood can
do. .with just a desktop scanner (and a week or so to scan the films)
Thanks for the script. Refining it would be a great idea!


Phil M

Re: Crop tool automation

Yes, I found a better way, instead of calling Batch Processing, use Image
Processor, this gives way more options, and the renaming problem is neatly
solved. Sometimes my scintillating intellect scares me half to death. Image
Processor can be called from Bridge or directly from Photoshop, I prefer
Bridge in CS2.
r.


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