Problems with printing colors in CS2

Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache.
All of the prints are too dark.
The same file, imported into a Word document, prints much better, and an
image from the internet, sent to the printer also prints very well, so I
can't blame the printer. When I take the same file to another computer
running Photoshop 7 and a different printer, it also looks much better.
I bought a Spyder calibration meter and tried to run that but I'm afraid
that I don't really know what to do with the results.
I would appreciate any advice on how to set up the color profiles to get my
images to look like they do on the monitor.
My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 913n and my printer is an Epson Photo
700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper
Thanks.

Luis Ortega

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

Thanks for the site link, Roy.


Luis Ortega

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

Hi.
As I said earlier, you do need to learn, more about Colour Management.
Selecting European Pre-press instead of USA Pre-press, does not change
anything which would affect printing with an Ink Jet. Neither of them are
the correct settings.
Installing your customised Printer Profile will not instruct the Epson
Driver to use it. The only way of using a specific profile is for you to
select it as the Printer Profile in the Print with Preview dialogues of Ps.
The Drivers for modern Epson Printers install a number of Media Specific
Profiles. They one used varies according to your selection of Media Type.
For an effective workflow, and some explanations, have a look at
www.ayrphoto.co.uk and go to the "Notices and Info" pages, then to the
article on "How to Print for Accurate Colour".
Of course, you can ignore the section about Monitor Calibrating, since you
have already done this with your Spyder.
And you would select your own Custom Profile for your Printer and Paper.
This page has been around for a little while, and does not show any Spyder
produced Profiles in the list, but they just go in with all the other
profiles, so you need to be a bit carefull when naming them.
Have a read at the Ps Help Files for CM, Profile use and Printing.
Roy G


Roy G

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

Thanks guys,
I am in UK and I can select European prepress in PSCS2.
I did a monitor calibration with my Spyder hardware and then a printer
profile and some tests.
Interestingly, the differences between US and European prepress are
indistinguishable to my eyes and my wife's as well.
But the differences between using PSCS2 and letting the printer do colour
management did show some differences. We tended to agree that letting the
printer do colour management produced somewhat stronger results. When PSCS2
does colour management (with the correct printer profile entered) the prints
are just slightly lighter and softer. With the printer handling colour
management on automatic the prints are a tiny bit richer in colour and
slightly darker in the shadow tones. I assume that going to windows and
telling it to install the latest profile created makes it use my profile
instead of the generic epson photo 700 profile that came with windoes, but
I'm not sure.
We also realized that unless we have a good exposure on the original photo,
things are much harder to get looking nice, even if we can tweak the photo
in PSCS2.
The differences between letting PSCS2 and the printer do colour management
are very slight with a good photo.
This surprised me as I though that PSCS2 would be better at printing than my
older epson photo 700.
Does anyone think that getting one of the newer printers, say the epson
photo 340, will improve the ability to colour manage as opposed to finer
resolution images or not.
Thanks for all the advice offered.


Luis Ortega

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

Looks like, that I've experinced the same problem for a couple of last
months. I've never had it before. What is interesting, that the print
preview already shows me that a file gonna be much darker than the one
prepared in Photoshop, so it nothing has to do with my monitor. But the
darkness intensity depends on some print options in the color
managment, as well as on file mode. Will appreciate any ideas.
Tanya


Tanya.ilina

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

...
I changed my gamma settings in the print driver from 2.2 to 1.8
but the R1800 has a much upgraded driver from the "come with" WIN XP one
make sure you have the LATEST drivers for the printer from EPSON website
Then make sure to set PS correctly in the PRINT WITH PREVIEW box
make sure the output is your printer
OR
On my old Epson I used the print drivers with more success in matching my
monitor
and was easier to set up, with PS color management off (windows icm is used)


KatWoman

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

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Hi.
There is little point in buying extra hardware, if you do not know how to
use it.
What you need to learn is Colour Management. It is not easy, not it is not
rocket science either.
Once you have enough knowledge then you will be able to use your Spyder to
calibrate your Monitor exactly.
From what I know of the Spyder the instructions are very specific as to how
to use it, and it seems to install the Monitor profile produced correctly.
So if you have followed its directions, your monitor should now be correct.
Your Epson 700 is a different problem, Epson do NOT publish ICC Media
Profiles for it, so you will need to make them, or have them made for you.
However its one and only included Profile will give pretty good results
using Epson Glossy Photo Paper, (but NOT Premium Glossy), if you are using
Epson Ink.
In the meantime I would suggest you change your Ps Working Space to sRGB,
and ensure that all your Images have that Profile tagged on, and not Adobe
RGB.
Roy G


Roy G

Re: Problems with printing colors in CS2

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You must create a profile for your monitor with the software that employs
the spyder. You must create a profile for your printer with your inks for
your paper using the same software. You need a flatbed scanner which allows
you to turn off color profiling to evaluate the output of the paper step.
The fine manual should describe all of these steps.
Then, when you print, you must select the appropriate printer profile in
Photoshop. You should turn off color management in your printer driver else
you run the likelihood of applying the profile twice. All this is needed to
get reasonably close to matching what you see with what you get. Exact
matching is well nigh impossible.
I use a Sony CRT and an Epson Photo 1280.
Jim


Jim

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