HDR images question

I'm playing around with HDR imaging and I can produce quite interesting
images which I can only view in Photoshop. Is it not possible to view them
in another software which most folks will have if I want to give them out to
people?
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Re: HDR images question

Granny typed:
I am just curious as to whether Hebee Jeebes has gone to the Johan W.
Elzenga site at http://www.johanfoto.com/ and tried to spot the "Fakes".
I would be interested in hearing Hebee Jeebes critique of Johns HDR
photos. Personally I think the HDR John does is beautiful and I would
love to have him as my mentor.. I think he is right up there with Ansel
Adams, Weston and the rest..
Does Hebee Jeebes have some samples of his own works we could look at? I
did notice he is an avid poster.. but with most of his posts there was
little substance and no help, but they had a lot of ranting and critical
observations on his part... There were no links, that I could find, to
substantiate his observations.
--
"Granny"
(Will not play with flames.. they R 2 Hot!)


Granny


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Well, then apparently at least for now they do look and are as I described.
It doesn't matter if it is user error or the lack of poor software options
for adjusting. The fact remains what I said is accurate. Now if things
continue and improve with HDR technology I will certainly take a look and I
am always open to changing my mind. So there is nothing wrong with what I
have said. As there is nothing wrong with what you have said. In the end
what we have are... possibilities!
R


Hebee Jeebes


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And I'm saying that this is not necessarily so. I repeat what I said
earlier: an HDR image is nothing more than an image with higher dynamic
range than a digital camera can capture. There is absolutely no reason
at all why an HDR image should look the way you describe, but they often
do because people do not know how to use HDR properly and because some
of the tools are still rather crude.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


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I am not talking about any form of editing or even making an HDR image. What
I am saying is that all HDR images I have seen look like they are either
paintings or have been rendered in a 3D modeling program. They look fake,
that is not to say they are, but they look it and that is why I am not a big
fan of HDR. The last thing I really want to do is make any image look fake.
Be it fake or not.
R


Hebee Jeebes


Re: HDR images question

The same arguments were made about digital image manipulation when that
first started to appear. Many people claimed that all manipulated images
were clearly fake. The reality was that they only recognised the fake
ones, and didn't even know that many of the other images they saw daily
were also manipulated to some extend. HDR is nothing more and nothing
less than an image with a higher dynamic range than our present-day
cameras can capture. Because our eyes *can* capture this higher dynamic
range, I don't see any reason why an HDR image should have to look fake.
They may often look fake now, because the technology isn't matured
enough. Or because you only recognise the bad ones.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


Re: HDR images question

The HDR technology in Adobe Photoshop CS2 is "experimental" at least
according to Adobe. Since very few image editor or viewers support 32-bit
images you will need to convert them to 16-bit or 8-bit.
HDR in Photoshop CS2 also isn't very flexible. For example it will not let
you use a RAW file that was adjusted for 3 separate exposures. Adobe says
that the reason for this is that none of the 3 derivatives of the single RAW
image contain any more or less data than the original RAW file. Those using
a single RAW file adjusted for 3 exposure ranges doesn't provide the needed
data for a true HDR image. The reason being is that the HDR software sees
all of the data even if they human using the computer doesn't.
Now other programs (links were supplied in other messages on this) do allow
this to use a single RAW file exposed for three different images.
Personally, I am going to put my stock in Adobe when it comes to these being
a true HDR image. What I don't agree with is their stance that using a
single RAW file to get the 3 or more images doesn't provide you with a
finished HDR image that is better than a single TIFF or JPG image from the
camera. I have done enough experiments with this to know that it does. I
also know that I think all HDR images look fake so I am not a big fan of the
technology.
R


Hebee Jeebes


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...
http://www.hdrsoft.com/index.html
http://gl.ict.usc.edu/HDRShop/
Lookup tone mapping as well.
I do not find that Photoshop does at all well with HDR.
Also, shoot raw mode.


Rudy Benner


Re: HDR images question

The idea of HDR is that it is only an intermediate format. After you've
created your HDR file, convert it to 16 bits TIFF or 8 bits TIFF. During
that conversion you can play with the way the conversion is done. That
is what makes HDR so useful.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


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