HDR images question

I'm playing around with HDR imaging and I can produce quite interesting
images which I can only view in Photoshop. Is it not possible to view them
in another software which most folks will have if I want to give them out to
people?
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Re: HDR images question

Thanks for that Johan - I shall include that in the Photoshop help file!! as
soon as I figure out a way!!


Harry Limey


Re: HDR images question

"Hebee Jeebes" <nospam@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zwaarddrager/sets/72157594331073165/detail/
Rutger


Rutger


Re: HDR images question

None are standard images in the way that they are just one shot, that is
true. But not all are HDR either. I've used masking techniques for some
and that's exactly the point: you can't see the difference between the
two methods, because there doesn't have to be a difference if you know
how to use HDR properly.
If I have time, I will add another tutorial to my site about HDR, but
for the time being this is what I found:
Most people try to 'get it right' directly in the interface you get when
you go from HDR back to 16 bits. That often gives the results that look
'3D' or 'painting'. I use a different approach, where I do as little as
possible in the HDR -> 16 bits conversion. When doing this conversion,
I'm only concerned with the highlights and the shadows. They have to be
right, meaning they both must have detail. Everything else can be fixed
later in the 16 bits image, because then I have all the Photoshop tools
I need to improve the image.
A second observation is that the defaults for the most powerful method
(Local Adaptation) are wrong. The microcontrast settings (Radius and
Threshold) defaults are almost always too high. If I use this method, I
use settings like a Radius of 10 or less and a Threshold of 0.1 or
something like that. This avoids that '3D' look. It does give a softer
image with not too much detail, but that problem can be solved later by
sharpening. And as Hebee Jeebes confirmed, this works so well that he
thinks the resulting detail is too high for a real photograph! Go
figure. ;-)
BTW: many people claim that PhotoMatix does a better job than Photoshop,
but I disagree. I think Photoshop gives far more natural results if you
use these settings.
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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


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Johan
To interrupt this nonsensical dialogue with Hebee Jeebes!! ( I supposed they
were all HDR by the way, as they all look rather too good to be standard
images and Hebee Jeebes does not seem to be answering your challenge!!)
I have to say, they all look really good to me, they capture the ambience of
the rooms well, which I suppose is the very object of the exercise!!
I wonder if you would care to pass on any of your trade secrets!!!
Harry


Harry Limey


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Ha, ha, ha. Maybe not with the cameras you use, but my Canon 1Ds MkII
gets me all the detail I want. And apparently more detail than you can
imagine being possible! Check the wildlife photos under 'New images',
you must agree wildlife images cannot possibly be HDR images, because
the animals do not stand still to enable you to make multiple exposures.
And yet they have the same amount of detail as the lodge photos.
As far as the vivid colors are concerned, that's just a matter of taste.
You like more muted colors? Fine! It's dead easy to tone them down by
lowering the saturation in Photoshop. I bet even you could do that. It
has nothing to do with HDR or not HDR.
And you haven't answered my challence. Which ones are the fake HDR ones?
It must be easy for you to spot them.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


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No they look like oil paintings. Too vivid colors (they look fake) and too
much detail. Real photos do not have that much detail. While detail is nice
it isn't make it makes the images look fake, surreal, 3D rendered or
whatever you wish to call it and the images of johanfoto at least the HDR
ones look that way. You are not going to change my mind.
R


Hebee Jeebes


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Just did and the HDR images are very easy to spot. They have too much color
and too much detail. They look like paintings especially at the tiny size he
posts.
You can like HDR all you want. I don't, nothing you say or do is going to
change my mind. The images look fake and if as it was said it was because of
the software not having the tools to adjust them correctly or if it is
because of user problems then that means HDR at least for now is not that
great. Those two problems if true is what makes the images look fake which
means there is still a lot of work to be done to make HDR imagery worth
while and user friendly.
R


Hebee Jeebes


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No, they don't. They *sometimes* do or even *often* do, but it is not
necessarily so. Do you think this image looks like a 3D rendering or
painting? http://www.johanfoto.com/Images/Lodge1.jpg
Go to my site and click 'Lodges and hotels', then tell me which ones are
the fakes and which ones are not (not all are HDR, but I won't tell you
which ones are and which ones aren't).
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl


Nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga)


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Gotta love those. I have been mucking about with HDR and tone mapping and my
stuff always comes out looking surreal. Its nice to know there is hope.
Thanks for the challenge and the link.
Back to Curvemeister 101 which is already in progress.


Rudy Benner


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....
....
Dang it, Granny, if you haven't hit it on the head again. Johan obviously
puts a lot of care and thought into them. HDR or not, the results are
excellent. Hats off to you Johan!
---
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


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