[Photoshop 6.0] After a long time doing things

[Photoshop 6.0]
After a long time doing things the hard way (eraser tool and a *lot* of
"do-overs") I saw a thread regarding using layer masks for compositing
multiple images into a collage. "Hmm," I thought, "that sounds a lot easier,
and reversible, too." So, I decided to try it today.
One of my brother Eagles celebrated his 93rd birthday recently and I wanted
to composite 5-6 photos of the celebration into a single collage image for
the newsletter. I loaded a couple of the images, created a working layer
copy for each, then added a layer mask to each working layer. Grabbed a
large soft brush and set it to black and went to work. Great! Painting with
black easily got rid of portions of the individual images I didn't want.
Then I grabbed the move tool, did a little repositioning of each layer to
adjust the ultimate boundaries between the image portions in the collage.
Here's where it gets wierd. After adjusting the positions, I went back to
the brush, changed the brush color to white, and tried to add back in some
of the stuff previously eliminated. Nothing. No white shows on the mask icon
in the layers palette, no original image restored.
Now, I can immediately switch back to black and start erasing again, and I
can see the little bounding box on the layer mask icon, so I know I have the
mask properly selected. Repeated switching back and forth between white and
black simply results in a growing area of black, the white just does not
seem to want to paint. I tried a 50% gray, and nothing happens when I paint
in the black area, but as expected, painting in the remaining image area
results in a semi-transparent area where painted(??).
This is probably something very simple that I am missing due to my lack of
experience with layer masking, but it's got me stumped. I would appreciate
any help anyone can offer. Thanks.
Scott
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Xenophon

Re: Layer mask -- painting with White does nothing(??)

It occurred to me that the white wasn't really "the" white. Resetting
prefs would, of course, remedy that.
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John McWilliams

John McWilliams

Re: Layer mask -- painting with White does nothing(??)

Scott
Glad to help, it can be a bit of a rascal sometimes the ol' preferences
file.;)
Regards
Mike H

Mike Hyndman

That got the job done, Mike. Closed PS, restarte

That got the job done, Mike. Closed PS, restarted and reset Preferences,
created a new file, and everything works fine. I usually recommend that
myself when things get weird, but since I was unfamiliar with layer masks I
thought that it was just something that I was doing wrong. Anyway,
everything's copacetic. Thanks.
Scott
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Scott Glasgow

Could be Mike. I took Mike Hyndman's advice (sin

Could be Mike. I took Mike Hyndman's advice (since I tend to recommend the
same thing when things get weird) and reset my Preferences. Problem has gone
away, but if something like this arises again I will remember that Darken
mode might be an issue. Thanks.
Scott
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Scott Glasgow

Re: Layer mask -- painting with White does nothing(??)

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This sounds like you have your brush set to darken mode. When chasing a
problem like this, simplify. Try painting on a new image and see if you can
get both black and white.
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Mike Russell
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Mike Russell

Re: Layer mask -- painting with White does nothing(??)

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'Tis a mystery! The only times I have seen something similar is when both
black and white didn't seem to work because
i) wasn't working in normal mode and
ii) the wrong layer was active.
Sadly the above doesn't seem to apply in your case. When the unexplained
starts to happen, there is nothing to lose by deleting your prefs file.
Restart PS with the ctrl+alt+shift keys depressed.
Try this.
Open a new image and duplicate the layer.
Add a layer mask to the new layer.
Hit D on the keyboard to set the colours to black and white.
Select the brush tool and with the layer mask active (selected), paint on
the image with black to make the painted area transparent (nothing below it)
Hit X on the keyboard to reverse the colours and repaint the transparent
area to restore it to original state.

Mike Hyndman

Re: Layer mask -- painting with White does nothing(??)

I've worked with layer masks *a bit*, and I frequently get de-railed
because I had been editing a layer as well, and forgot to do something
specific to get back to where I could edit the layer mask.
For example: I have an image with two layers, I'm working with a layer
mask, and I'm also using a cloner to manipulate one of the layers.
I've often forgotten to *specifically* click on the layer mask
thumbnail itself over to the right - in which case I'm still working on
the image (the layer) itself.
I've also often forgotten to change the tool I'm working from a cloner
back to a paintbrush - in which case I'm cloning one part of the layer
mask to the other, which may have absolutely no effect.
So just double-check that both the layer mask itself (as opposed to the
image that it is masking), and the tool you want to use on that mask
(ie a brush) are both selected.
That's the only useful suggestion I have. ;-)

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