Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

I've just purchased a Nikkormat EL which seems to work more or less
fine in Auto mode (the meter responds, though I still haven't tested
its accuracy) but whose shutter behaves erratically when in manual
mode. Speeds 1/1000-1/125 seem to work (at least the shutter fires),
but any attempt to work with lower speeds (1/60, 1/30, etc.) leaves
the shutter open and the mirror raised. The shutter closes and the
mirror comes back down when I push the meter/action lever towards the
body of the camera (basically if I turn it off).
Any idea?
Thanks
Marco

Mr


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

jimmomary@gmail.com ha scritto:
(CUT)
Thanks, the shutter doesn't seem to work as it should, but having the
manual is great anyway!
Marco


Mr


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

look at the manual if you got one, if not go here -
http://66.49.230.119/pdf_files/nikkormat_el-1.pdf
see page 21
this is on this site if above link is not valid ...
http://www.butkus.org/chinon/nikkormatt_el/nikkormat_el.htm
note - slowest shutter speeds that can be chosen depend on asa set
asa 1600 1/15th second
asa 800 1/8th second
asa 400 1/4th second
and etc so on down the line
If I recall, and it's been 20+ years for me, the EL defaults to "B" if
the wrong combo is selected and power off is the way to shut off the
"B" mode. This means if you select a shutter speed longer than the
camera can handle it forces the shutter into "B", i.e. always open,
This would appear to be longer than proper shutter speeds or non
operating shutter. Try setting the asa and see if there is ant
correlation. Best an old geezer like me can offer. Jim M.


Jimmomary@gmail.com


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

Scott Schuckert ha scritto:
I'll try to clean it, actually this was my guess after looking at the
camera schematics, but I didn't want to disassemble it without first
listening to somebody else's opinion. The camera will not be used
heavily, so if cleaning can help, it's fine, I just would like for it
to be more than a display piece.
Thanks
Marco


Mr


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

In article <1163166741.560828.189790@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, mr
It's been WAY too long since I worked with an EL (a favorite camera)
but if I recall correctly:
In cameras like this shutter speed is determined by charging a
capacitor, and when the capacitor is full, the shutter closes.
The rate of charge is set in different ways, depending on the mode. In
auto, the current is set by the meter - more light, more juice, faster
shutter closure.
In manual, the current is set by a variable resistor under the shutter
speed dial - a "thin film resistor" I believe. This is a disk with a
variable coating of conductive material, and when you turn the dial a
slider contacts varying positions on the coating.
Over time, gunk collects between the contact and the disk; and/or the
conductive coating itself deteriorates. The upshot is, sometimes you
get the right speed - sometimes you get a slower speed - and sometimes
the circuit is open and the shutter never closes at all.
This isn't unique to the EL, or even to Nikon - I've seen it on Olympus
and Pentax cameras, too. This is the problem that has disabled many a
Nikon FTn meter prism.
Sometimes, you can ease the situation by cleaning the resistor disk,
but this is usually temporary. The real solution is to replace the
resistor. But there aren't any available - at best, you'll get one
salvaged from an older camera, and may soon be back in the same boat.


Scott Schuckert


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

Geoffrey S. Mendelson ha scritto:
The battery is brand-new...
Yes, but the shutter seems to work normally while in "auto" mode. Isn't
that a bit strange?
Thanks
m.


Mr


Re: Nikkormat EL (manual) shutter

Two ideas. One is there is a battery under the mirror. Make sure
it is replaced with the correct battery and is in good condition.
According to http://medfmt.8k.com/bronbattery.html you can replace it
with a L544 lithium battery.
The other is that there is a custom integrated circuit that drives the
shutter. It has two signs of failure. One is that the shutter stops
working and the other is that it drains a battery in about two days.
It sounds to me like it is a battery problem. I hope so because if not,
the camera is most likley a paperweight. The only source for a chip is
a camera that was made in relatively small numbers 30 years ago and
was mechanicaly damaged without damaging the chip.
If you can get it working, it's well worth the effort. It's a good camera.
Geoff.
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