Blasted snipper

Oh I hate those ebay snippers. I had a bid on a Topcon Super D that needed
the mirror supports redone. Something I could have done. For almost the
whole time it was listed not one bid, so today I placed a bid, 2 hours to go
got outbid, so I layed another much higher bid onto it, One bad came in but
mine was still higher. Right at 4 secs to go a sniper hit and jumped the bid
by $1.00 over mine.
Pissed am I? YES.
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Starlord

Re: Blasted snipper

The simple way around this problem is to auto-extend the auction. The
major local on-line auction here in New Zealand is TradeMe,
http://www.trademe.co.nz and they run this system. If a sniper shoves
in a bid when the auction has less than two minutes to run, the auction
closing time extends for two further minutes, so last-second sniping is
not possible. It allows the buyers to reach their maximum bid, and
works better for the seller. I don't understand why Ebay and others
don't use this system. They would have fewer pissed-off customers.
Colin D.
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Colin_D

Re: Blasted snipper

Yes, but I'm not sure what the significance of the last few seconds
is.....Once you have decided the maximum that you would pay for the item,
why not just bid it and be done with it?


William Graham

Re: Blasted snipper

The snipping software does just that and at a time that no human can beat.
I've watched it happen to offen. The last bid under mine was $10.00 less
than my max, yet the snipping software has someway of geting to know the
upper prince and at just 5seconds or less it's able to beat any bid, at a
time when no human can do anything.
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Starlord

Re: Blasted snipper

I used to work the auctions on haggle.com when it was running, and there was
ZERO snipping on there, and I got many things from there and sold some stuff
too. But the web site was sold and closed down. They never said by how, but
I have my own ideas.
I had bid up to my limit, that was the top end, and the sinpper went $1.00
over that yet I know they couldn't see my top end. If ebay would kill off
the access of the snipper software, then the people would have to bid
themselves. Most of the ebay auctions I've won have been for stuff no one
else seemed to want. I was hopeing that this camera would be that way, but 5
seconds to go and I'm outbid by software.
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Starlord

Re: Blasted snipper

"Ben Brugman" <Ben@niethier.nl> wrote
That's pretty much an 'ebay sniping auction': the winner
[or sucker, depending] pays $1 over the second highest bid.
When the auction ends at a fixed time an open-bid auction makes
little to no sense to the buyer.
The seller wants an open bid auction with a feeding frenzy where at
least two of the bidders haven't had their Prozac dosages 'adjusted'
[and better, have also been drinking]. I think the original ebay
theory was that a fixed ending time would be more likely results in
last-minute loss of reason.
Ebay's customers are the sellers, not the buyers, so ebay wants a
frenzy.
With ebay taking a percentage of the selling price but not the
shipping I see a trend to selling items for 0.99 but with
$24.95 for shipping and handling: same as a starting price of $26
but with a lower cut for ebay.
--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
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n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com


Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Blasted snipper

But then you pay more than you would have on a normal auction.
The effect would be the same as a sealed bid auction, with others
still sniping.
A good system I saw once was the a sealed bidding system where
the goods went to the highest bidder, but the price was that of the
second bidder.
Advantage for the buyer is that he does not have to pay more than
the what the second bidders offers.
The Advantage for the seller is that everybody can bid what they
actually would like to pay for the product, because the second bid
is accepted. So everybody is bidding what it's worth to them.
For this system to work you need a fair amount of bidders.
(One does not work offcourse, to set a realistic prise you need
several bidders).
The sniping creates an unfair system, because the snipers are
playing with an advantage that nonsnipers do not have. So the
game is not totaly fair. (Except that the snipers will tell you that
you have the choice to snipe as wel).
Ben


Ben Brugman

Re: Blasted snipper

You hadn't ought to feel so bad: the last bid might have been $100
over yours. Would you have gone that far?
Rita the Berk will undoubtedly be along to coach you in future
eBaying; my advice is: decide the absolute top dollar you are willing
to pay for the item--no fudging!--and bid that amount within ten
seconds of auction's end. By the rules, you wouldn't have paid more,
and anyone who snipes for more than you did wanted it more
dollars-worth than you did. Normal business, no reason for upset.
The end.
How far are you from WSIR?
--
Frank ess


Frank ess

Re: Blasted snipper

"Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info> wrote
The way ebay is set up the only way to bid is by sniping,
thus turning the sale into a sealed bid auction.
If you want it, snipe.
If the auction closed 24 hours after the last bid was
placed then the auctions would be more 'normal'.
--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com


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