{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

One early October Tuesday evening in Newfoundland, Mardon put down
his paintbrush to check the r.p.e.35 newsgroup. (His wife kept
painting.) Lo and behold, the SI fractal submissions were on
display in their full glory, even before the submission deadline
arrived. Talk about efficiency. There's no flies on our Jim, as
the saying goes. I wonder if Al is impressed or just glad that the
job isn't his anymore.
"Natural Fractals" Hummm --- I own a text on Chaos Theory. I've
installed Quat and Fractint and have used them on my PC to generate
my own fractal images. I've even installed an image of Henrik
Engstrom's quaternion Mandelbrot set circa 1992 as my PC wallpaper.
All that said, I still have no idea which of the SI submissions is
really a natural fractal and which isn't. Unlike image plots of
fractal equations, I'm inclined to think that natural fractals
exist only in the mind of the beholder. So does beauty, and here's
my opinion of both:
James Mondor
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336427
I like the film 'feel' and the grain in the dark areas of the
background but I'd like to see the foreground leaves be sharper.
The white and dark spots on the leaves are also distracting to my
eye. What would this have been like without the orange filter I
wonder? Any special reason for using it? I remember using a dark
red filter a lot for that dramatic looks with B/W film.
Walter Banks
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336535
Nice colours! Common wisdom is that tree branches are natural
fractals but I don't think that applies to leaves, so a 5 point
deduction. As already mentioned, the leaf colours are nice; I wish
the sky were a slightly darker blue. I'm glad the image is not
over sharpened. This is the sort of content that looks bad when
over sharpened.
Quercus
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336553
Common wisdom also says ferns are natural fractals but I don't
think this is a fern. I can't conceive of those oblong leaves being
made up of smaller oblong patterns, etc; no fractal, so 5 points
off. I really like the colours. My mother always said that blue
and green don't go together but I never did believe that saying.
The shadows on the lower leaves and the lack of shadows on the
upper ones, combined with the clouds make for a very nice image.
Bowser
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336559
Nice image! Are the barnacles the natural fractals or the rust? I
suspect the rust is really more fractal in nature than the
barnacles but who cares. No deduction because one of them must be
fractal in nature. The orange and white complements each other
well and I like the composition, with mostly white to the upper
left and mostly rust to the lower right.
Al Denelsbeck
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336564
How'd you do that? The lily pad looks like it's under the surface
of the water but the droplets wouldn't float on water would they?
It seems logical that the droplets must be sitting on the leaf but
it doesn't look that way to my eye. Intriguing! The veins are no
doubt fractal in nature, so do deduction there. To paraphrase our
friend Bret, too bad "Elitechrome 100 Hates Lily Pads".
"Elitechrome 100 LOVES those bubbles though." Too much washed out
green for my taste.
Jim Kramer
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336571
It's wet. It's soft. It's somehow connected with the insect world
(I think). It may be alive. But is it a natural fractal? Don't
think so. Minus 5 points. My favorite part of this image is the one
rounded, brown tip of the dark leaf at the top edge of the image
and the strands of web that lead down from there. The white strand
at the lower left is also interesting but the glob in the middle
just confuses me. What is it?
Mardon
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68338439
I thought about cooking a DVD in our microwave and repeating the
fractal image from Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Microwaved-DVD.jpg). In the
end, I'm not sure if it was my reluctance to 'steal' the idea from
Wiki or the fear of having my wife catch me putting a metal DVD in
the microwave that ultimately dissuaded me. ;) I opted for this
lichen from a rock in our back yard. It took all of a 10 minute
break from my painting time to photograph and post it. 5 point
deduction because I'm still not sure myself if lichen grows in the
pattern of a natural fractal.
Duncan Chesley
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68348233
The good My favorite image of the bunch. The bad One
of my least favorite bunches. 5 bonus points for shooting what
looks like a natural fractal to me. I like the colours and
composition. Was this posed or natural? If natural, you caught a
really good angle.
N Lindan
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68354426
Very clever! I love the inclusion of the torn plastic. The
staging of the 3 elements is very neat. I'm not fond of the large
white patches in the blossom but I like the water drops. I think
I'd also prefer a totally black background instead of the white
specs all over it; especially in the upper right corner. I give
"N" 10 bonus points of actually looking at the plastic under a
microscope to very the fractal nature of the tear. Especially when
considering the mandate, this is probably the 2nd place ribbon IMO.

Mardon


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

Yup. - And this is why I, (with a degree in math) did not become a
programmer. I have no problem learning a good language and using it. But
learning a new one every year for the rest of my life? - NO THANKS!!


William Graham


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

<*snip*>
A really neat programming language I used on my Commodore 64 was
"Logo". It excelled at plotting equations. I guess Logo is now just
one of many dead programming languages.


Mardon


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

The Mandelbrot set is but 1 algorithm that generates fractals. In fact
Mandelbrot didn't even come up with that equation, it was a French
(IIRC) mathematician in the late 1800's or early 1900's. As it is
difficult to impossible to produce fractal imagery (despite the absolute
simplicity of the equation) in any detail without a computer, the whole
notion was lost until Benoit Mandelbrot took another stab at it.
Occasionally in aerial photography you will see river deltas or gorges
that are astonishingly similar to the Mandlebrot set. Ferns are not
Mandelbrot like, they follow another, much simpler, fractal equation
(that I don't recall offhand) but that I programmed on an HP-9845 back
in the 80's and on a PC later. (Much easier on the brillant HP-9845
which was WAY ahead of its time at the time with a FORTRAN-like BASIC...)
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan Browne


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

Mardon <mgb72mgb@hotmail.com> wrote in
:
I think he's trying to show me up. But hey, I'm glad he was willing
to take it over, and as can be seen from how long it took me to get to
this reply, I'm not in any better shape timewise ;-)
Thanks for taking the time to critique! Maybe one day I'll be so
motivated again...
<snip>
The pads are indeed above the water, but these were fresh ones and
fairly translucent, so I think that and the short depth of field is what
provided the illusion. I don't quite see it myself, but I was there.
I think what I liked about this was the anachronistic aspect of it
- the pad, though veined, is still round, and the water drop can't get a
whole lot more unfractal. Break it up and you see it really is made of
smaller bits the same shape though ;-)
A few years back friends and I put a standard CD in the microwave.
About three seconds and there was a minimal flash of light from the
plastic, and we took a look. The resultant pattern in the foil was very
branched, clearly an electrical discharge pattern, not at all like Wiki's
demo.
Player didn't like it either ;-)
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Al Denelsbeck


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

The time of day shot (late afternoon) may have contributed some red to
the yellow as well. But, that is pretty much the color of ferns and
other leaves here in the fall. Except of course the maples which are
stunning reds, oranges, yellows and purple accents.
Cheers,
Alan


Alan Browne


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

Well, we have some blue potato chips here, but I always assumed they were
created with food coloring.......


William Graham


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

I like this one much better than your SI submission. Then again,
I've already admitted to this group several times that I'm not a big
fan of 'soft focus'. Oh well, differences in people help make the
world go 'round.


Mardon


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

I'm no good with articulating praise and/or critique, so I'll just
comment on the ones that struck me.
Bowser:
I think I like your's the best. It reminds me of the old Life computer
simulation.
Mardon:
I love the texture and not-quite symmetry
Alan Browne:
I don't think I've seen a fern that colour or at least stay that colour
for long. It's almost like tarnished gold leaf, if there is such a
thing.
Jim Kramer:
Your's is the only one I can't see what is going on, maybe I'm missing
something.
Take care,
James


Desdinova


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

<SNIP>
If it wasn't on, there wouldn't be as large of a difference in exposure
from light to dark nor would the leaves on the lower right be as
exposed as they had already turned their fall colour.
I had some almost similar images that came sharper:
http://tea.h1x.com:8080/usenet/hudson12%20web.jpg (server's a bit
pokey)
but I didn't like it as much as the one I submitted, which had a sort
of spiral flow which reminded me of fractals I had seen.
Thanks for the comments on mine and everyone's submissions.
Take care,
James


Desdinova


Re: {SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments

Blue potatoes are common here. Many Newfoundlanders prefer them.
They are not a deep blue but still, definately blue.


Mardon


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