No film shooters

I'm back from a trip to New England and I didn't notice a single
person shooting film. (This may not be exactly true since many
point and shoots look like their digital brothers).
Another thing I noticed is that there were very few people using
disposable cameras either. It seems that people are willing to
buy a digital camera where in the past they weren't willing to
buy a reloadable film camera.
I must say that the trend towards shooting while looking at the
back screen is now almost universal. Nobody seems to use the
viewfinder (if they even have one). This posture can't be good
for minimizing camera shake, especially since many older folks
need to hold it fairly far out to see the screen in focus.
I did meet a few people with battery problems which put a
sudden end to their shooting.
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Robert Feinman


Re: No film shooters

:-D
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Richard Polhill


Re: No film shooters

Amen!
The evergreen "Film Is Dead" debate has been used by some as justification
to insult and intimidate other posters, by characterizing them essentially
as brainless Neanderthals, who stubbornly cling to old fashioned and archaic
ways.
It would be one thing to discuss the various advantages and disadvantages of
each system, but it is another thing entirely to use that as an opening to
harass and intimidate others. My killfile is full of those trolls.
The digital age does, indeed, have its good points. Two mouse clicks and
the jerks disappear forever!


Jeremy


Re: No film shooters

Hi Peter. nearly missed your post here, since it's nearly a month after
mine was posted. However, to the point of the matter.
Like a lot of words and/or phrases, meaning can get generalized from the
original particular meaning to a more general meaning referring more or
less loosely to the original. Of course the original Luddites were a
group of workers opposed to the introduction of powered weaving looms
doing them out of a job. Similar situations in many fields have
happened countless times over the years with increasing automation, and
opposed by displaced workers, who, because of the similarity to the
Luddites, were called Luddites.
The term is now less constrained, so that reference to
wordnet.princeton.edu has the meaning "any opponent of technological
progress", and most people would agree with that, I should think.
So, the minority, as I said before, of film shooters who doggedly oppose
digital photography, and claim that (35mm) film is always better in
every respect, are Luddites.
As for 'bandying' the word about indiscriminately, that's your
perception. I don't consider that Anni or myself do 'bandy' it about.
As far as I can recall, it is almost always used in response to a film
type denigrating digital in general one way or another, some of them
losing no opportunity to have a dig.
OTOH, you might note that neither Anni nor myself denigrate film, Anni
still uses film in his Totally Fabulous 1v. I gave my film camera (EOS
10)to my daughter, and I have never put film down. Trouble is, when one
talks about digital, some infer from that that film must be being put
down. That is faulty logic, a common mistake.
Colin D.
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Colin_D


Re: No film shooters

Some of
Yet you and Anni (especially) bandy the phrase about pretty
indiscriminately. And even your description above doesn't fit the actual
meaning of the word Luddite (look it up, if you need to, and you'll see what
I mean).
Peter



Re: No film shooters

But I make a distinction between real chimping and responsible review of
histograms, images in order to confirm settings, and not on every image.
I really don't
I'd go further: To not use the histogram occasionally is throwing away a
good tool.
Certainly in the studio it is a
I am just setting up a minor home studio, using mostly natural light.
I'll be shooting tethered much of the time.
Ain't that the truth. I even found a roll that I had partially shot,
rewound to the leader, marked as to frame, and when I reloaded and
finished off the roll, found that the earlier shots were several years
prior....
To me real chimping is limited to excitedly pointing at the lcd and
beckoning all around to take a look. Noises optional....
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john mcwilliams


John McWilliams


Re: No film shooters

The origin of course is the "oo oo" crowd, but I call it chimping
whenever you look at the monitor image and/or the histo. I really don't
think there's anything wrong with it, esp for difficult compositions or
more esp. for challenging lighting. Certainly in the studio it is a
great tool with multiple lights at various settings and colors.
I think chimping has let a lot of non-photographers who like to take
snapshots really improve as they get instant feedback and a chance to
improve the shot and discard the duds. Unlike the snapshooter with a
single 24 frame roll in the camera covering Thanksgiving, Halloween,
Christmas and spring first communions...
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan Browne


Re: No film shooters

But of course it is. I keep forgetting how to put accents on; well I
just experimented and found it: ô é
Anyhooo, I submit that what you describe above isn't chimping, unless of
course, you make little oo-oo noises and point excitedly at the lcd....
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john


John McWilliams


Re: No film shooters

In Colorado this past summer I was photographing old steam trains and it
took more chimping than usual in the very high contrast light to get
things right at varying angles. Would have been tough on slide film to
get very many right.
OTOH, at Arches National Park for the Hassy I didn't even use my meter,
simply shot sunny-16 and only occasionally reverted to bracketing if it
was a particuarly high contrast shot. Likewise the digital, chimped the
histo and then just shot.
Cheers,
Alan
(and that's "sûr" ;-) )
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Alan Browne


Re: No film shooters

My chimper wanted a pay raise, so I had to let her go.
<<Bien sur>>. A good one.
There's a big difference between using the review as a tool and pure
chimping.
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john mcwilliams


John McWilliams


Re: No film shooters

It's a tool as well.
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Alan Browne


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