Value (and values) 35mm

A few days ago I wandered into the local Salvation Army store looking for
some cheap jeans to wear while doing yard work. I happened to see an 35mm
SLR in the counter case and asked to see it. Turns out it was a Chinon CM-7
with a SMC Pentax-M 50mm 1.7 lens mounted. I inspected it and found no
obvious problems. Asked about the price: $10 + tax. What the hell, I
thought, I just spent more than that for lunch. Took it home, cleaned the
shop dust off. Mirror box, finder were spotless. Opened the back, and it
looked like no film had been through it. The camera seems to be a Cosina
variant, similar in some ways to a Nikon FM-10 or an Olympus 2000, but with
a K-mount. Later I loaded a roll of Ilford XP2 Super and when out shooting.
The camera seems pretty basic but certainly capable of giving a properly
exposed negative with a little basic skill from the user. Lens apparently
off a Pentax but works just fine with the camera.
Later I examined the results. I can find nothing to criticize at all about
the lens. Extremely sharp, lovely bokeh and smoothness. I'm sure that one
can spend $3000 on a body and lens, but this seems to deliver 95% of all one
could expect in image quality. Which brings me to my point. What is
happening to the 35mm world that folks are so ready to dump obviously
capable gear (at firesale prices) for digital. Cameras with many years of
useful shooting left in them are practically free while folks chase after
digital point and shoots that seem to have a model life of about 3 months
before being replaced with something "better". I'm not an anti-digital
luddite. I have a Nikon D70s and 18-70 and 12-24 lenses. I enjoy that
camera also. But not 200 times as much as my thrift store camera. Why are
folks in such a frenzied rush to abandon a format that has served well for
80 years. Some of the worlds greatest images were taken on film and 35mm
equipment. Nothing prevents equally great images from being taken with the
same equipment today. I can understand the benefits of the digital workflow
for the working photojournalist, but why are folks abandoning 35mm like it's
poison?

Doug Robbins

Re: Value (and values) 35mm

Link does not work.
It could be. My notion of the SA is possibly too based on the notion of
getting things to the poor for free or at very low rates + donating cash
to the SA. I do both locally. It could be that their operating
expenses are high enough that they need to sell to all comers just to
stay afloat.


Alan Browne

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I really don't mind if you have a differing opinion, or if I'm shown to
be wrong, but calling somebody names as part of your post while hiding
behind a pseudonym is cowardly bullying. Doesn't impress me in the least.
You have very little posting history under the name "DreamsTwice" and at
that it is for the pettiest of reasons such as spelling errors and this
most recent set.
I do get into pissing contests: not with those who state their opinions
and argue different or oposing views, but with those who stoop to name
calling, insults and other 3rd grade schoolyard behaviour.
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan Browne

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There are at least 6 major types of plastic with various feedstocks
including crude oil, natural gas, cellulose, seaweed and many others
others. To believe that they are universally not long term durable is
the same as believing that the Mandlebrot set is the only fractal type [
;-) ]. "Feedstock" means that something is a source for material,
sometimes down to the molecular and atomic level, for end materials that
are much tougher than the source material. For exampl, polyethelyne is
made from methane (CH4: eg: very "organic") resulting in one of the most
durable plastics in existnece.
Much of the 70's debate about platic and the environment had to do with
the simple fact that some plastics are so durable as to be permanent
pollution when discarded. Even plastic that has starch added to make it
"biodegradable" only degrades to a certain level leaving the long
durability plastic in place, just perhaps too small to notice.
Look around enough and you will find many extra durable plastics
including polycarbonates that make up many, esp. high end, SLR's that
are "plastic" framed and shelled.
Cheers,
Alan.
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Alan Browne

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My guess is they get far more cloths then they can sell, .....
This is true.....We have, not too far from us, a "SA seconds" store that
sells the stuff that their main stores can't sell.....They virtually give
the stuff away. - It is full of cloth items, and also glassware and
ceramics......It occurred to me once, while standing in that store waiting
for my wife to finish looking around, that the whole history of mankind
could be written just by investigating the history of cloth and
ceramics.....


William Graham

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Looking a SA's web site it would seem that buying from their stores is
what helps the poor.
<http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn%5Cwww_usn.nsf/vw-sublinks/85256DDC007274DF80256B80003CED42?openDocument>
It seem from reading what is there that they are rather keen on people
to use their stores.
My guess is they get far more cloths then they can sell, so your
avoiding using them for work cloths is only reducing their revenue, not
taking away cheap cloths from the poor.
Or do you have a link that shows differently?
Scott


Scott W

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A search of the usenet archives reveals that you have a long history of
getting into pissing contests with anyone on this newsgroup who
disagrees with you. In the light of this information, I doubt that any
further contact with you is worthwhile.
Doug


DreamsTwice@gmail.com

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No, they intend to use cheap U.S. labor.........Assuming, of course, that
they can find enough drug-free workers.......


William Graham

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I read the other day that Wal*Merde has bought a chain of department
stores in China. Where will they get their goods? From Africa, perhaps?


Alan Browne

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Please defend that statement. The SA's mission is to help the poor.
And as long as we're talking about the price of pork bellies, what's
your name beyond "Doug"?


Alan Browne

Re: Value (and values) 35mm - OT bumps ahead... way OT

As the price gets higher and higher then it dominates the economy to a
greater degree. (Whether the oil comes from the ground or coal...) The
world economy is built on very, very, very cheap energy. The US economy
most so (25% consumption for 4% of the world population).
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/ghawar.htm touches on the secrecy and the
facts: Saudi oil production is dropping.
I've also read that Venezuela oil production is long past peak.
As the price will climb and as China consumes more and has the
purchasing power, and to an increasing extend India (growing economy and
largely unchecked pop. growth), the price of oil will be bid up rapidly.
Hugo Chavez has already made sweetheart deals with China... (VZ is the
3rd or 4th largest supplier of oil to the US).
As the price will climb and foreign governments/institutions begin to
dump their US debt (further devaluating the US dollar and making it
harder to buy increasing priced oil) then:
-Suburbs will become too expensive to live in and basically
worthless
-Southwest cities will become too expensive to keep (eg: Phoenix, Las
Vegas)
The horizon for the above scenario is approximately 25 years.
As to synthesis from coal, yes, that is possible at a high energy loss
ratio and at horrific CO2 release. Of course you can sequester the CO2,
but that takes enormous energy in itself.
Read "The Long Emergeny" -hopefully the author is being a little too
harsh but the consequence chain really says:
But for the cheap energy of the past 50 - 100 years,
planet earth could simply not have this population.
As the cheap energy disappears, so will cheap
agriculture ...
Enjoy your SUV's...
Cheers,
Alan.
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Alan Browne

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